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Challenge: Please write a conversation between David Hume, Immanuel Kant, Abhinavagupta, Bharata Muni, Zeami Motokiyo, Gilles Deleuze and a Brahmin priest. Start with the question: What is taste?
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Setting: A cheerful garden with a round table in the middle. The philosophers and the Brahmin priest sit there, each representing a different era and culture, but united by the timeless question of aesthetics.
⁃ Bharata Muni: Let's start with the question at hand: what is taste? In my understanding, 'rasa' is the essence, the taste of the emotions that a work of art evokes in an audience. It is the culmination of the artist's efforts and the audience's experience.
⁃ David Hume: I agree with this, even if I would formulate it differently. For me, taste is the ability to judge what is beautiful, pleasing or sublime in art, not on the basis of considerations or principles, but on the basis of the immediate feeling of approval or disapproval it evokes. Nevertheless, there is a standard of taste that can be achieved by qualified critics.
⁃ Immanuel Kant: While I appreciate your perspective, Hume, I believe that taste is the ability to judge an object or mode of representation by a completely disinterested satisfaction or dissatisfaction. The object of such satisfaction is called beautiful.
- Abhinavagupta: Based on Bharata Muni, I would say that rasa is not just the feeling evoked, but a transcendental experience. It is a delicate interplay between the artist's intention, the artwork and the viewer's experience. This connection leads one to 'taste' the rasa, just as one enjoys a flavor.
⁃ Zeami Motokiyo: In the world of Noh theater, we don't use the term "rasa" explicitly, but we do have "yugen" - a deep, mysterious sense of the beauty of the universe. It's about the subtle and the profound, evoking emotions for the audience to enjoy, much like tasting a good dish.
⁃ Gilles Deleuze: Taste, as you describe it, seems to be an encounter. An encounter between the artwork and the viewer, between the world and its sensations. It is about becoming, transformation and the multiplicity of experiences. It's not just about categorizing the beautiful or the sublime, but about the connections that art makes with its audience.
⁃ Brahman priest: In the Vedas, taste or 'rasa' is also one of the elements that represent the liquid essence of life and connect it to feelings and experiences. In life, as in art, we enjoy different flavors, whether sweet, sour or bitter. The cosmic dance of the universe is a play of these flavors, and our dharma is to experience them in their entirety.
⁃ David Hume: It's fascinating how our different cultures and philosophies converge on the idea of taste as an experience, as an encounter. Whether it's the rasa of a play, the yugen of a Noh performance or the beauty of a painting, we are all trying to capture the elusive essence of what moves the human soul.
⁃ Immanuel Kant: Indeed, this is proof of the universality of the aesthetic experience. Our concepts and nuances may differ, but the core remains the same: the power of art to evoke, move and 'taste' emotions and experiences beyond the everyday.
⁃ Abhinavagupta: And in this shared experience across cultures and times lies the true essence of taste.
The conversation continues, with the two philosophers and the priest delving deeper into the intricacies of aesthetics, art and human experience, finding common ground amidst their differing perspectives.
Suggestion: Let the conversation continue and extend it to the physical places of art, to the different houses for art
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⁃ Zeami Motokiyo: When we talk about the essence of taste and art, it is worth noting that the spaces in which art is performed or exhibited play a crucial role in the experience. In Japan, the Noh stage is minimalist, allowing the audience to focus on the subtle expressions and movements, which enhances the experience of "yugen".
⁃ Bharata Muni: In ancient India, the Natya Mandapa, the theater stage, was an intimate space that brought the audience closer to the performers. The architecture itself was symbolic and represented the universe, and the stage was a sacred space where the cosmic dance of emotions took place.
⁃ David Hume: In Europe, especially during the Renaissance, art found its home in large galleries and theaters. These opulently designed spaces not only exhibited art, but were works of art themselves. They heightened the experience and made art both accessible to the masses and a symbol of prestige.
⁃ Immanuel Kant: Let us not forget the importance of the public squares and open spaces in Europe where sculptures and monuments were erected. These works of art, set against the backdrop of nature or in the midst of busy city life, had a different effect on the viewer than those in closed galleries.
⁃ Gilles Deleuze: Modern art has further expanded these boundaries. Today, art houses are not only physical spaces, but also conceptual worlds. Installations in unexpected places, digital art forms that are experienced virtually, and even performance art that uses the city as a stage challenge and redefine our traditional notions of art houses.
⁃ Abhinavagupta: The temples in India also served as important places of art. The sculptures, dances and music performed in these sacred spaces were not just for entertainment, but were offerings to the divine. The walls of these temples told stories and the art was experienced in a state of heightened devotion.
⁃ Brahman priest: The universe itself is the greatest house of art. Every sunrise, every ripple of water, every rustle of leaves is a performance of nature. Sacred rituals, chants and yajnas (sacrificial ceremonies) are our way of participating in this cosmic performance.
⁃ Gilles Deleuze: That is a fascinating perspective. In a way, modern art installations that blend into nature or the urban environment are a continuation of this idea - the universe as an art house. They break down the boundaries between the viewer and the artwork, making the experience immersive and transformative.
⁃ David Hume: Whether it is a large gallery, a temple, a Noh stage or a public square, it seems that the essence of art remains unchanged. These houses of art, in their myriad forms, serve as bridges that connect us to the artwork and, through it, to the deeper aspects of our humanity.
⁃ Immanuel Kant: Exactly. The physical or conceptual space may change, but the central aesthetic experience, the "taste" we have been talking about, remains universal. This is a testament to the enduring power of art and its ability to transcend boundaries.
The philosophers and the priest continue their discussion, exploring the nuances of different art houses in different cultures and eras and how they shape and are shaped by the art they house and the audiences they serve.
Challenge: Now that we see that they agree on many things, they should engage in a controversy and take different positions
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⁃ Bharata Muni: While we have found common ground in understanding the nature of art, I must emphasize that the main purpose of art is to evoke certain emotions or "rasas". It is a structured process and the artist must follow certain guidelines to achieve this.
⁃ David Hume: I have to respectfully disagree with you, Bharata. Although certain standards can guide art, it is ultimately a subjective experience. What evokes emotion in one person may not in another. Therefore, art cannot be bound by strict guidelines; it must be free to evolve and be interpreted.
⁃ Immanuel Kant: Following Hume, I believe that while art can evoke emotion, its true value lies in its ability to evoke the "sublime" - a feeling that transcends mere emotion and touches the infinite and immeasurable.
⁃ Zeami Motokiyo: In Noh theater, the focus is on the subtle and the profound. It is not about evoking a wide range of emotions, but about deepening the experience of a single emotion, such as the profound beauty of "Yugen". It is a disciplined art form, and deviations can dilute its essence.
⁃ Abhinavagupta: While I respect Noh's structured approach, I have to say that the experience of "rasa" is both structured and transcendental. The discipline of the artist and the receptivity of the audience combine to create a unique experience that goes beyond mere guidelines.
⁃ Gilles Deleuze: Although all these perspectives are valuable, they seem to be rooted in tradition. Modern art challenges precisely these ideas. It is not only about evoking emotion or the sublime, but also about deconstructing reality, questioning norms and constantly reinventing itself. Art is a rhizome that is constantly growing and changing without having a fixed origin or end.
⁃ Brahman Priest: Art, in its truest form, is a reflection of the divine. Whether it adheres to guidelines or challenges norms, its goal is to connect us to the cosmic dance of the universe. However, I fear that by constantly reinventing ourselves, we may lose the essence of this connection.
⁃ David Hume: That's the whole point, isn't it? We all appreciate the power of art, but our views on its purpose and execution are different. For some it's about sticking to tradition, for others it's about challenging it.
⁃ Immanuel Kant: And perhaps that is what makes art so powerful - its ability to be timeless and contemporary at the same time, to resonate with the past while reflecting the present.
⁃ Gilles Deleuze: But shouldn't art also push us into the future? Challenge our perceptions and make us question our realities?
⁃ Zeami Motokiyo: Questioning is important, but so is preserving tradition. It's a delicate balance.
The conversation becomes increasingly lively as each philosopher passionately defends his point of view and emphasizes the complexity of art and its interpretation. The garden, once quiet, is now filled with the vibrant energy of debate and discourse.
⁃ Abhinavagupta: Tradition and innovation are not mutually exclusive. On the contrary, tradition often serves as the foundation on which innovation is built. The experience of 'rasa' has its roots in old guidelines, but it is also open to interpretation and further development.
⁃ Brahman priest: I respect the mutability of art, but we must not forget that some traditions serve as anchors that connect us to the divine. In our pursuit of innovation, we must ensure that we do not break this sacred connection.
⁃ Gilles Deleuze: But isn't the nature of the divine also fluid and constantly evolving? By constantly reinventing and questioning norms, art reflects this fluidity. It reflects the constant state of life, which is in the process of becoming.
⁃ David Hume: Gilles, while I appreciate the dynamism you attribute to art, it's important to recognize that not everything that challenges norms is profound. There is a fine line between true innovation and mere novelty.
⁃ Immanuel Kant: That's right, Hume. The sublime in art is not just about breaking boundaries, it's about transcending them. It's about addressing universal truths that transcend time and culture.
⁃ Zeami Motokiyo: In Noh, we place more emphasis on the depth of emotions than on their breadth. The challenge is not to portray a multitude of emotions, but to dive deep into one emotion and refine it to its purest form. This depth, I believe, touches on Kant's idea of the sublime.
⁃ Bharata Muni: And this is exactly where the guidelines come into play. They serve as a map that navigates the artist through the vast ocean of emotions and ensures that the essentials are not lost in the vastness.
⁃ Gilles Deleuze: Maps are useful, but they can also be limiting. True exploration often takes place when you venture off the map and into the unknown. That's where true creativity lies.
⁃ Abhinavagupta: Gilles, the departure into the unknown is important, but so is the return to the known. It's a cyclical process - the known becomes the basis for the unknown, and the unknown, once explored, enriches the known.
⁃ Brahman priest: It is like the eternal dance of creation, preservation and destruction. Each phase is important, and one cannot exist without the other.
⁃ David Hume: So here we come full circle. Even if our views on the purpose and execution of art differ, we all agree that it is cyclical - a balance between tradition and innovation, the known and the unknown.
⁃ Immanuel Kant: Indeed, and it is precisely this balance that makes art a reflection of life itself - constantly changing and yet rooted in timeless truths.
Having plumbed the depths of their disagreements, the philosophers come to a common understanding. The garden, which echoed with their passionate debates, now shines in new harmony and reflects the timeless dance of art and life.
Challenge: Let them work together and formulate a common aesthetic theory, think about whether that would be possible
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⁃ Zeami Motokiyo: Given our different backgrounds and perspectives, it may seem difficult to formulate a common aesthetic theory. However, our discussion has revealed common insights. Perhaps we can begin to work out these commonalities.
⁃ Bharata Muni: At the center of our discussions is the experience of the viewer or audience. Whether it is the "rasa" in a performance, the "sublime" in a painting or the "yugen" in the Noh, the essence is the emotional and transcendental experience that is evoked in the viewer.
⁃ David Hume: That's right, Bharata. And although individual experiences are subjective, there is a universality in certain aesthetic responses. However, this universality does not negate the value of individual interpretations.
⁃ Immanuel Kant: Exactly. Universality does not lie in uniformity, but in resonance. The true value of art lies in its ability to transcend cultures and times, to touch on universal truths while leaving room for individual interpretation.
⁃ Gilles Deleuze: And this resonance is not static. It is a dynamic interplay between the artwork, the viewer and the broader cultural and social context. Art is not just a reflection of reality, but a force that shapes and challenges it.
⁃ Abhinavagupta: Our shared aesthetic theory could therefore revolve around the idea of "resonance" - the dynamic and cyclical relationship between art, the viewer and the cultural context. This resonance is both emotional and transcendental, rooted in tradition and at the same time open to innovation.
⁃ Brahman priest: And like the eternal dance of the universe, this resonance is cyclical - the known inspires the exploration of the unknown, and the unknown, once explored, enriches the known.
⁃ Zeami Motokiyo: This theory goes to the heart of our discussions, but is it possible for such a theory to do justice to the great diversity of art forms and cultural contexts?
⁃ David Hume: That is a legitimate concern, Zeami. However, the strength of this theory lies in its flexibility. By focusing on the idea of 'resonance', we create space for the coexistence and interaction of different art forms that enrich each other.
⁃ Immanuel Kant: Theory does not prescribe a fixed standard, but it does provide a framework. It is a lens through which we can appreciate and critique art in order to understand its value and impact.
⁃ Gilles Deleuze: And like all theories, it will continue to evolve. Just as art challenges and reinvents itself, our understanding of it will also grow. This theory is not the end, but a beginning.
⁃ Brahman Priest: A beginning that recognizes the divine in art, the cosmic dance of creation, preservation and destruction and the eternal search for understanding and connection.
⁃ Abhinavagupta: Formulating a common aesthetic theory for our different perspectives is a challenge, but not impossible. Our shared insights and the idea of 'resonance' provide a foundation on which we can build, research and develop.
The philosophers have debates and discussions behind them and work together on a theory that, while based on shared insights, is open to interpretation and development. The garden that witnesses their intellectual journey is a testament to the power of dialog and collaboration.
prompt: which would be the main classical texts that would support such an approach? List 12 with author, year and 3 sentence summary
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Certainly! Here are 12 classical texts that would support such an approach:
⁃ "Natyashastra" by Bharata Muni (c. 200 BCE - 200 CE)
- This ancient Indian treatise on performing arts discusses the theory of 'rasa' or emotional essence evoked in an audience. It provides guidelines for artists to achieve this essence and explores the relationship between performers and their audience. The text is foundational for understanding Indian aesthetics.
⁃ "Critique of Judgment" by Immanuel Kant (1790)
- Kant delves into the nature of aesthetic and teleological judgments. He introduces the concept of the 'sublime' and discusses the universality of aesthetic experiences. The text is pivotal for Western aesthetic philosophy.
⁃ "Of the Standard of Taste" by David Hume (1757)
- Hume explores the nature of aesthetic judgments and the idea of a universal standard of taste. He argues that while individual preferences are subjective, certain artworks can be deemed universally beautiful. The essay is central to discussions on taste in Western philosophy.
⁃ "Dhvanyaloka" by Anandavardhana (c. 820 - 890 CE)
- Anandavardhana introduces the concept of 'dhvani' or suggestion, arguing that the essence of poetry lies in its suggestive power. This text further develops the rasa theory, emphasizing the emotional resonance of literary works. It's a cornerstone of Indian literary criticism.
⁃ "Fushikaden" by Zeami Motokiyo (c. 1400)
- Zeami, a master of Noh theater, discusses the aesthetics and principles of Noh. He introduces the concept of 'yugen' - a profound, mysterious sense of beauty. The treatise is foundational for understanding the aesthetics of Noh theater.
⁃ "Poetics" by Aristotle (c. 335 BCE)
- Aristotle's treatise on drama and poetry discusses the concept of 'catharsis' - the purification or purgation of emotions. He explores the elements of tragedy and the nature of aesthetic pleasure. The text has been influential in Western literary criticism.
⁃ "Laocoön: An Essay on the Limits of Painting and Poetry" by Gotthold Ephraim Lessing (1766)
- Lessing contrasts the aesthetics of visual arts and literature. He argues that each art form has its unique strengths and limitations. The essay is a key text in discussions about the relationship between different art forms.
⁃ "Abhinavabharati" by Abhinavagupta (c. 1000 CE)
- A commentary on the Natyashastra, Abhinavagupta delves deeper into the rasa theory. He emphasizes the transcendental experience of rasa and the union between the artist, artwork, and audience. The text is crucial for understanding the nuances of Indian aesthetics.
⁃ "The Republic" by Plato (c. 380 BCE)
- While primarily a work on political philosophy, Plato discusses the role of art in society. He critiques art for being an imitation of reality and explores its moral implications. The text provides insights into early Western views on art.
⁃ "The Birth of Tragedy" by Friedrich Nietzsche (1872)
⁃ Nietzsche contrasts the Apollonian and Dionysian elements in art. He discusses the transformative power of art and its connection to human experience. The text offers a unique perspective on the nature and purpose of art.
⁃ "Rasa Tarangini" by Bhanudatta (c. 16th century)
⁃ Bhanudatta's work is a collection of Sanskrit verses that celebrate the rasa theory. It provides insights into the various emotions or 'rasas' and their expressions in literature. The text is a poetic exploration of Indian aesthetics.
⁃ "Aesthetica" by Alexander Baumgarten (1750)
⁃ Baumgarten's work is considered one of the first modern treatises on aesthetics. He explores the nature of beauty, the role of sensuous knowledge, and the relationship between art and morality. The text laid the groundwork for later aesthetic philosophies in the West.
⁃ These texts, spanning different cultures and eras, provide a rich tapestry of ideas that can support the collaborative aesthetic theory discussed by the philosophers.
Prompt: and which key texts from the 20th century can be related?
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⁃ Certainly! Here are key 20th-century texts that can be related to the collaborative aesthetic theory:
⁃ "Art as Experience" by John Dewey (1934)
- Dewey argues that art is an integral part of human experience and not just a matter of formal expression. He emphasizes the communal and societal role of art, suggesting that art is a means of communication and a reflection of cultural values.
⁃ "Difference and Repetition" by Gilles Deleuze (1968)
- Deleuze explores the concepts of difference, repetition, and identity. He challenges traditional notions of representation in art and philosophy, emphasizing the transformative power of difference.
⁃ "The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction" by Walter Benjamin (1936)
- Benjamin examines the impact of mass production on art. He discusses the "aura" of artworks and how it changes when art is reproduced, leading to shifts in aesthetic and cultural values.
⁃ "The Structure of Aesthetic Response" by Victor Zuckerkandl (1970)
- Zuckerkandl delves into the nature of aesthetic response, exploring how art communicates and the intrinsic qualities that evoke emotional reactions in observers.
⁃ "The Poetics of Space" by Gaston Bachelard (1958)
- Bachelard examines the emotional responses evoked by different types of spaces, from intimate nooks to vast expanses. He relates these spatial experiences to art and literature, exploring the interplay between physical space and imagination.
⁃ "Aesthetic Theory" by Theodor Adorno (1970)
- Adorno offers a critical analysis of art's role in society, discussing its autonomy and its potential for societal critique. He delves into the dialectical relationship between art's form and content.
⁃ "The Intentional Fallacy" by W.K. Wimsatt and Monroe Beardsley (1946)
- This essay challenges the emphasis on an artist's intention in interpreting their work. The authors argue for the primacy of the text itself, suggesting that the artwork should be analyzed independently of its creator's intentions.
⁃ "The Death of the Author" by Roland Barthes (1967)
- Barthes argues against traditional literary criticism's emphasis on authorial intent. He suggests that the meaning of a text is created by the reader, emphasizing the role of interpretation in the aesthetic experience.
⁃ "Ways of Seeing" by John Berger (1972)
- Berger examines the cultural and societal implications of visual images. He discusses how art and images are perceived in the context of history, politics, and commerce.
⁃ "The Open Work" by Umberto Eco (1962)
⁃ Eco explores the concept of "open" artworks, which are incomplete and require the audience's participation to realize their full meaning. He discusses the dynamic relationship between the artist, the artwork, and the audience.
⁃ "The Originality of the Avant-Garde and Other Modernist Myths" by Rosalind Krauss (1985)
⁃ Krauss challenges traditional notions of originality in art, especially in the context of modernism. She explores the role of repetition, grids, and structures in modern art.
⁃ "The Condition of Postmodernity" by David Harvey (1989)
⁃ Harvey examines the cultural and societal shifts in the late 20th century, discussing the implications of postmodernism for art, architecture, and urbanism. He explores the fragmentation of aesthetic experience in the postmodern age.
⁃ These 20th-century texts provide insights into the evolving nature of aesthetic theory, reflecting the cultural, societal, and technological shifts of the century. They offer valuable perspectives that can be related to the collaborative aesthetic theory discussed earlier.
